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I regret nothing.

Amongst the things I don't regret is sending a joke banner to a friend...


So who was I to know she'd run with it? Check out the full details here about how you CAN sponsor a lion...

*hehe*
Examine my head and find me basically...: amusedamused
Inside my head I hear...: Jigzag - Get Back Home
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From:dcrisp
Date:July 16th, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
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You're so going to burn in hell. you know that dont you :P
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From:earthnative
Date:July 16th, 2008 04:18 pm (UTC)
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whose hell is that then? Cos I'm thinking of starting a collection of them :)
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From:vegetus
Date:July 16th, 2008 01:43 pm (UTC)
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Except that Taronga Park are evil and have little actual interest in conservation or education (and when conservative groups like the RSPCA say stuff like this you know that there really is a problem).

Lion friendly charities I would recommend supporting:
The Born Free Foundation lion adoption program (http://www.bornfree.org.uk/animals/lions/)
Big Cat Rescue (http://www.bigcatrescue.org/)
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From:earthnative
Date:July 16th, 2008 04:18 pm (UTC)
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*hugs* thankyou for the tips :)

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From:razorgirl_au
Date:July 17th, 2008 01:59 am (UTC)
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By choosing to go with Taronga it stays relevant to Sydney (as the hosts of WYD), but most importanly of all is that by giving to Taronga, we get to indirectly stab the NSW Government at the same time (see my original post for details).


As for Taronga being evil...

Once upon a time, I used to think that the RSPCA was a reputable source. Since working with the Animal Licensing team in the ACT Governtment, I've discovered that you can't take everything they say as Gospel. I'd really like to see their statements with their reasons and proof so I can compare it with the other side before I'm willing to cast them into the evil basket. Especially given the work and the money they're putting into helping out with the Tassie Devil Cancer situation.

But thanks for the heads up about Taronga anyway. Means I'll be looking at them a little more critically.

: )
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From:vegetus
Date:July 17th, 2008 05:38 am (UTC)
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Yes I understand the reasons why you would pick Taronga Park (and clearly you haven't read my comment in your original post about this). However I do feel the need to point out that they aren't as wonderful as they would like the public to think.

I am incredibly critical of the RSPCA, I find them very conservative, particularly regarding non-companion animals (ie anyone that isn't a cat or dog). However when a group that usually errs on the side of caution speaks out about decisions that have been made by a group allegedly focused on animal care it immediately gets me suspicious.

Taronga Park have a history of animal neglect. Two cases in recent years that have come to light was the death of an endangered rhino from starvation (she was also pregnant and found to be suffering from stress from being on display to the public) and the importation of elephants from Thailand. One of those elephants is now pregnant at an age even Taronga Park officals consider as being too young (or at least they did in the past) and many wildlife groups are suspicious over how the elephants were caught (there is mounting evidence that they were wild caught- breaking the CITES agreement Australia part of).

see:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22292956-2,00.html?from=mostpop
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1265272.htm
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/ultrasound-reveals--tarongas-expecting/2008/02/14/1202760442914.html

(there are heaps more links but these are just a sample)

As for the Tassie Devil situation, there are other groups that are running capitive breeding programs and are involved in research, not just Taronga:
http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/Topics/JCOK-69973H?open

Capitive breeding programs have a better success rate if animals are not subjected to the stress of being gawked at and, depending on the species, rejection from the mother is significantly higher than in the wild. There is also some evidence that suggests that not only genetic diversity is lost (something that many programs are now looking at addressing) but also that the animals are unable to cope living in the wild after generations in captivity- this varies between species of course. Also consider how many of the drawcard species in zoo breeding programs are released back into the wild. Given the cost of maintaining animals in zoos compared to the cost of running habitat conservation programs and the added benefit of protecting a whole ecosystem rather than one or two particular animals, one needs to question the benefits of each captive breeding program rather than just assuming that they are all beneficial.
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From:kokopops
Date:July 17th, 2008 12:24 pm (UTC)
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"However I do feel the need to point out that they aren't as wonderful as they would like the public to think."


As someone who works in public relations I think I'm qualified to say that NO organisation is as wonderful as they want the public to think. :)
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From:vegetus
Date:July 17th, 2008 02:20 pm (UTC)
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That may be true, but I'm really tired of the number of people who go "all zoos are wonderful and care for the animals really well and are the only way to stop animals from being extinct" etc etc A bit of time spent looking at the actual issues never goes amiss.
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From:arthwollipot
Date:July 16th, 2008 01:48 pm (UTC)
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Oh, so you're to blame...
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From:earthnative
Date:July 16th, 2008 04:17 pm (UTC)
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who? lil' ol' innocent me?

to clarify though, I didn't make the banner, just forwarded it on after it was sent to me! :)
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From:razorgirl_au
Date:July 17th, 2008 02:00 am (UTC)
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Got a problem with it?

: P
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From:thatjacq
Date:July 17th, 2008 04:59 am (UTC)
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Rarrrr. The pope is only a few outfit adjustments away from being Caesar. But that's not nice.
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From:earthnative
Date:July 17th, 2008 02:15 pm (UTC)
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I dunno.. caeser had some admirable qualities.

but seriously, it's a light hearted joke and protest about the whole deal, and especially involves the NSW govt in a fun way (since they're who I have the biggest problem with) :)
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From:thatjacq
Date:July 18th, 2008 02:59 am (UTC)
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Yeh - they're dumb in the pants.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:August 20th, 2008 03:13 am (UTC)

toronto music

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Pretty nice site, wants to see much more on it! :)
From:(Anonymous)
Date:August 20th, 2008 12:38 pm (UTC)

written music for four part harmony

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Pretty nice site, wants to see much more on it! :)
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